2009.04.26 Spiritual Warfare part 1

Randy leading discussion on spiritual warfare.

2009.03.15 Vermiculture

Vermiculture (Nancy Mansfield)

We need to get this one in while there’s still time …

Nancy Mansfield will be joining us to explain how to start a “worm farm”. This one might be fun for the kids! For us, it’s one of the things we want to incorporate into our farm operation. Hence the need to fit it in when Nancy is available and before the gardening season gets underway hot and heavy.
Suggested resource: “Worms eat my Garbage” by Mary Appelhof ISBN 0-942256-10-7 (book is not required for the meeting)

2009.03.17 Follow Up

Lunch table discussion among the guys centered on the message at Tony’s church, which was on the gifts of the Holy Spirit. We discussed the definitions and roles of the various church offices (Pastor, Teacher, Evangelist, Prophet, Apostle), whether those offices were still valid, etc. I’m going to try to get a copy of the notes from Tony and I will post them here.

The women, at the other end of the table, discussed David Wilkerson’s recent prophecy http://davidwilkersontoday.blogspot.com/2009/03/urgent-message.html.

After lunch Nancy showed us some coconut koir, we discussed how to successfully raise and feed worms, and we all took a “field trip” to the basement to see our newly acquired “worm farm”. In the process we discovered that our worms had an infestation of red mites, which we are attempting to control.
The following is a list of the garbage that people can save for us if they want to help feed the worms.

Update to HOLIDAY NOTE: March 17 was St. Patrick’s day; I was planning on having something for the kids, but the week got away from me and it totally slipped my mind. Randy reminded me and I still didn’t “get it” because I hadn’t been keeping up with the forum. My apologies – so far we’ve missed Purim and St. Patrick’s Day. I’ll try to do better in the future.

2009.02.01 Body Soul Spirit

Body Soul Spirit 1

Body Soul Spirit 2


Getting into the Christmas Spirit

The house is decorated and it’s “party” season here at Big Oak Ridge. We’ll be hosting an open house for the Oil City Branch tomorrow. We are planning another party for non-church friends later; we also hope to get a chance to see our families (at least the local members) at some point during the season. That will carry us right up to our first community meeting of the New Year, and then things will probably pick up quite a bit from there!

Gather yourselves together

Zep 2:1 Gather yourselves together; yea, gather, O nation not desired;
Zep 2:2 before the birth of the decree, the day shall pass like the chaff; yet not before the hot anger of Jehovah comes on you, yet not before the day of Jehovah’s anger comes on you.
Zep 2:3 Seek Jehovah, all the meek of the earth who have done His justice; seek righteousness; seek meekness. It may be you shall be hidden in the day of Jehovah’s anger.

Word about “gathering together” 2008.12.07

Several weeks ago during a prayer meeting I attend I received this word from the Lord:
“Gather, gather together”.

I looked this up in the Bible and discovered there are two places in the Bible that have basically this same phrase:
The first is in Jeremiah:
Jer 4:1 If you will return, O Israel, says Jehovah, return to Me. And if you will put away your abominations out of your sight, then you shall not be moved.
Jer 4:2 And you shall swear, Jehovah lives, in truth, in judgment, and in righteousness; and the nations shall bless themselves in Him, and in Him they shall glory.
Jer 4:3 For so says Jehovah to the men of Judah and to Jerusalem, Break up your fallow ground, and do not sow among thorns.
Jer 4:4 Circumcise yourselves to Jehovah, and take away the foreskins of your heart, men of Judah and people of Jerusalem; lest My fury come forth like fire, and burn so that none can put it out; because of the evil of your doings.
Jer 4:5 Declare in Judah, and let it be heard in Jerusalem; and say, Blow the trumpet in the land; cry, gather together, and say, Gather yourselves and let us go into the fortified cities.
Jer 4:6 Set up the banner toward Zion; flee for safety and do not wait; for I will bring evil from the north, and a great ruin.
Jer 4:7 The lion has come up from his thicket, and the destroyer of the nations has set out; he has left his place to make your land a waste. Your cities will fall into ruins without inhabitant.

The second is from Zephaniah:

Zep 2:1 Gather yourselves together; yea, gather, O nation not desired;
Zep 2:2 before the birth of the decree, the day shall pass like the chaff; yet not before the hot anger of Jehovah comes on you, yet not before the day of Jehovah’s anger comes on you.
Zep 2:3 Seek Jehovah, all the meek of the earth who have done His justice; seek righteousness; seek meekness. It may be you shall be hidden in the day of Jehovah’s anger.

As I waited on the Lord, I sensed that He was saying that these two scriptures are a warning, a call to repentance, and a promise. The warning is that judgment is coming, and coming soon (soon being a relative term – it may be six months, or several years – I’m not claiming to have a date here, but I don’t believe we have another decade, either). The call to repentance is an encouragement to us to prepare our hearts, to make sure we are in right standing with God, and to “clean our houses” – to get things in order. The promise is that if we do these things, God will be our defender, and we will not be moved during the time of crisis. This does not mean that we will not suffer; it does mean that we will have the kind of faith that will endure.

Paula and I ended up presenting this as a message to the Oil City Branch 12..07.2008

More Fill for the Larder

Today we canned and froze venison and butchered some chickens. Turned out to be pretty easy and I am thankful for the provision.

2009.01.25 Basic Nutrition

Nutrition 1: Paula will facilitate a preliminary discussion on basics for the kitchen, how to prepare “quick and easy”, yet nutritious meals.

Nutrition will be a subject we’ll come back to from time to time as we work through the growing/producing seasons; we’ll be discussing how to grow, preserve, and store food items as well as how to use them to create nutritious, appealing meals etc.


Lunch was good, fellowship was great. Discussed child rearing and how kids eat, discussed the homework regarding sacraments a little. Paula led the main discussion on nutrition; we rehearsed the fact that the reasons we are looking at nutrition are:

    1. It is estimated that up to 80% of our medical costs and health problems are “self inflicted” due to lifestyle choices; many of these choices are diet related. 2. If hard times are coming, it is important that we start now to teach our children to eat what God provides and be thankful.
    3. As we seek God in the deeper things, it is important that we use the wisdom He gives us. It is not appropriate to ask God for health and healing if we are deliberately and knowingly harming our bodies by what we eat and drink.


Here are the notes:

Basic Nutrition
Different foods contain different nutrients and other healthful substances. No single food can supply all the nutrients in the amounts that you need. For example, oranges provide vitamin C and folate but no vitamin B12; cheese provides calcium and vitamin B12; but no vitamin C.
To make sure you get all the nutrients and other substances you need for health, the USDA recommends building a healthy base by using the food pyramid as a starting point. The food pyramid visually demonstrates how many servings of each of the basic food groups an individual should consume daily for good health.
It is important to remember that children, teens, most men, and active men will need the higher number of servings in the servings range. Also, older adults, children, and women have greater calcium needs. Americans are typically deficient in calcium and iron. People following more limited diets (i.e. vegetarian) need to be sure that they are getting, from other sources, the nutrients, vitamins, and minerals that would be given by the food group(s) that they aren’t eating from. There are five basic nutrients in food: carbohydrates, proteins, fats, vitamins, and minerals. All are necessary for good nutrition. Any diet that excludes one of these nutrients is dangerous.
What Counts As A Serving?
Daily Recommended Servings
• Bread/ Grain Group 6-11
• Vegetable Group 3-5
• Fruit Group 2-4
• Milk Group 2 or 3
• Meat/ Bean Group 5-7oz
Grains Group (Bread, Cereal, Rice, and Pasta Group – whole grain and refined)
• 1 slice of bread
• About 1 cup of ready-to-eat cereal
• 1/2 cup of cooked cereal, rice, or pasta
Vegetable Group
• 1 cup of raw leafy vegetables
• 1/2 cup of other vegetables cooked or raw
• 3/4 cup of vegetable juice
Fruit Group
• 1 medium apple, banana, orange, pear
• 1/2 cup of chopped, cooked, or canned fruit
• 3/4 cup of fruit juice
Milk Group (Milk, Yogurt, and Cheese Group)
• 1 cup of milk or yogurt
• 1 1/2 ounces of natural cheese (such as Cheddar)
• 2 ounces of processed cheese (such as American)
Meat and Beans Group (Meat, Poultry, Fish, Dry Beans, Eggs, and Nuts Group)
• 2-3 ounces of cooked lean meat, poultry, or fish
• 1/2 cup of cooked dry beans or 1/2 cup of tofu counts as 1 ounce of lean meat
• 2 1/2-ounce soyburger or 1 egg counts as 1 ounce of lean meat
• 2 tablespoons of peanut butter or 1/3 cup of nuts counts as 1 ounce of meat
Tips To Reduce Fat And Cholesterol In The Diet
• Steam, boil, bake, or microwave vegetables rather than frying.
• Season vegetables with herbs and spices instead of fatty sauces, butter or margarine.
• Try flavored vinegars or lemon juice on salads or use smaller servings of oil-based or low-fat salad dressings.
• Try whole-grain flours to enhance flavors of baked goods made with less fat and fewer or no cholesterol-containing ingredients.
• Replace whole milk with low-fat or skim milk in puddings, soups and baked products.
• Substitute plain low-fat yogurt or blender-whipped low-fat cottage cheese for sour cream or mayonnaise.
• Choose lean cuts of meat, and trim fat from meat and poultry before and after cooking. Remove skin from poultry before or after cooking.
• Roast, bake, broil, or simmer meat, poultry and fish rather than frying.
• Cook meat or poultry on a rack so the fat will drain off. Use a non-stick pan for cooking so added fat is unnecessary.
• Chill meat and poultry broth until the fat becomes solid. Remove the fat before using the broth.
• Limit egg yolks to one per serving when making scrambled eggs. Use additional egg whites for larger servings.
• Try substituting egg whites in recipes calling for whole eggs. Use two egg whites in place of one whole egg in muffins, cookies and puddings.
Nutritional Guidelines To Remember
• Eat sweets and fats sparingly
• Choose low fat options from the milk and meat groups
• Eat whole grains (refined grains do not provide the same amount of fibers and nutrients)
• Choose a diet that is low in saturated fat and cholesterol and moderate in total fat
• Choose beverages and foods to moderate your intake of sugars
• Choose and prepare foods with less salt
• If you drink alcoholic beverages, do so in moderation
Some Sources Of Calcium
• Yogurt
• Milk
• Natural cheeses such as Mozzarella, Cheddar, Swiss, and Parmesan
• Soy-based beverage with added calcium
• Tofu, if made with calcium sulfate (read the ingredient list)
• Breakfast cereal with added calcium
• Canned fish with soft bones such as salmon, sardines
• Fruit juice with added calcium
• Pudding made with milk
• Soup made with milk
• Dark-green leafy vegetables such as collards, turnip greens Some
Sources Of Iron
• Shellfish like shrimp, clams, mussels, and oysters
• Lean meats (especially beef), liver and other organ meats
• Ready-to-eat cereals with added iron
• Turkey dark meat (remove skin to reduce fat)
• Sardines
• Spinach
• Cooked dry beans (such as kidney beans and pinto beans), peas (such as black-eyed peas), and lentils
• Enriched and whole grain breads


Limits to caffeine, cholesterol, sodium and sugar


• Healthy adults should stay below 300-500 milligrams daily
• Pregnant women must stay below 150-200 milligrams daily
• Children should stay below 50 milligrams daily

In the United States, the FDA sets limits on all caffeine drinks. No more than 65 mg. per 12oz. drink.

The investigators tested the caffeine content of 10 energy drinks, 19 colas or sodas, and seven cold-coffee and iced-tea drinks.
The good news is that for all colas or sodas tested caffeine content was well below the FDA limit of 65 mg for a 12-ounce serving. In this category of drinks, caffeine content ranged from 18 mg to 48 mg per 12-ounce serving.
The caffeine content of energy drinks, however, ranged from 33 mg to nearly 77 mg per serving, with the majority being above the FDA recommended cola or soda limit. One product, SoBe No Fear, came in at 141 mg for a 16-ounce serving, the study found.
Several of the Starbucks brand coffee drinks were above the soda caffeine limit, most notably Starbucks Doubleshot, which had more than 105 mg of caffeine, the investigators said.

The Dietary Guidelines for Americans recommend that you
• Get no more than 20 to 35% of your total calories from fat.
• Get less than 10% of your calories from saturated fat. For example, if you eat 2000 calories a day, you should eat no more than 20 grams (g) of saturated
fat. If you have heart disease, less than 7% of your calories should be from saturated fat.
• Avoid or limit trans fats (often found in processed foods).
• Eat less than 300 milligrams (mg) of cholesterol per day (less than 200 mg if you have heart disease).
American Heart Association says 2,400 mg (1 tsp. salt). The Institute of Medicine says 1.500 mg (3/5 of tsp.) Greatest source is processed foods, commercial foods, frozen dinners and lunch meats.

No nutrition other than calories. Average consumption should be no more than
6-8 tsp. (one teaspoon = 4 grams)

Biblical injunctions regarding nutrition:

Exo 15:26 And said, If thou wilt diligently hearken to the voice of the Lord thy God, and wilt do that which is right in his sight, and wilt give ear to his commandments, and keep all his statutes, I will put none of these diseases upon thee, which I have brought upon the Egyptians: for I am the Lord that healeth

Story of Daniel

Gen 2:9 And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food.

Psa 104:14 He causeth the grass to grow for the cattle, and herb for the service of man: that he may bring forth food out of the earth


McCusker RR et al. Caffeine content of energy drinks, carbonated sodas, and other beverages. Journal of Analytical Toxicology. 2006; 30. http://www.medpagetoday.com/PrimaryCare/DietNutrition/2865




2009.01.18 Granola, Intro to Sacraments

Regular Meeting. Project: Home made Granola. Paula will facilitate the project. Everyone will get to take home some yummy and nutritious home made granola.

Kent will provide an introduction to the sacraments of Christianity; what they are and why they are. We’ll come back to this topic periodically in the future.


We enjoyed lunch together, made granola, and had an introductory discussion about sacraments.

I’m including here the notes on Sacraments, and the recipe for granola.


A good general definition is that a sacrament is “an outward and visible sign of an inward and spiritual grace” (from the Anglican Book of Common Prayer).

What are the sacraments?
Most Protestants recognize two sacraments: Baptism and Communion, or the Lord’s Supper.

My definition: something that was prophesied or foreshadowed, that Christ commanded or ordained by Word or by His actions, that has both an action to be taken and a promise or stated spiritual result.

Sacraments should be done as exactly as possible according to the plan laid out by Christ and the apostles and made clear in the Old Testament foreshadowing, just as the Tabernacle had to be completed to exact specifications and the worship in the Temple had to follow exact specifications. If you don’t follow the plan, the message and significance can be lost or diluted.

The following are the Seven Sacraments of the Catholic Church: (We discussed some things about Roman Catholicism in relation to this list)
• Baptism (Christening)
• Confirmation (Chrismation)
• Holy Eucharist (or Holy Communion)
• Penance (Confession)
• Anointing of the Sick
• Holy Orders
• Matrimony

What I believe are the sacraments instituted by Christ: (based on my definition of sacrament above)
• Salvation
• Water Baptism
• Holy Spirit Baptism
• Communion
• Matrimony

Your homework: Search the scriptures and see if you agree or disagree with my definition and my list of sacraments. Don’t use Wikipedia or other such sources, use the scripture and PRAYER and let God give you wisdom in this area. We’ll be discussing this later, so if you make notes make sure to bring them with you each week in case the topic comes up. In future meetings I hope to discuss the sacraments individually and why I believe each of the things I mentioned qualifies.

GRANOLA RECIPE: Homemade Granola

10 cups of Old Fashioned Oatmeal
2 cups of wheat germ
2 cups of brown sugar
2 cups powdered milk
3/4 cup of oleo
1 cup of honey
1 tsp. salt
2 tsp. vanilla
¼ tsp. cinnamon

Mix together first four dry ingredients. Set aside. Melt oleo-add honey, salt, vanilla and cinnamon. Pour over dry ingredients and mix well. Spread on lightly greased cookie sheets and roast for 30 minutes at 275 degrees. Stir half way through roasting.

You may add coconut, raisins, nuts, dried fruit etc. after roasting. Roast an additional 15 minutes or until golden brown.

It’s time to start thinking “garden” already!

Discussions will begin here.